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Re:West kirby marine lake development on the BBC 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
Mr Ernie,
Thanks for blowing my cover

"Apart from....
- The golfers who travel from far and wide to play Royal Liverpool
- The local business's who bring guest's to the Wirral from Europe and further, but are forced to put people up in Chester and Liverpool. I used to work for one and at any one time between Tues and Thursday night we could have filled a 50 room hotel with out of town visitors.
- The Local bars and resturants where guests will spend money
- The local residents who will get coffee & restaurants

So we are suggesting an additonal 30-40 people (at most) a night from outside the area will set the local economy on fire?

How many of these will actually eat in the hotel.

As far as the local residents getting coffee and restaurants:
There already exists around 28 establishements so would it not be counter productive to add more?

There is no doubt that it would be nice for the outsiders to come and stay in an expensive hotal on the sea front.

Maybe I am being a little bit thick because actually;

No I don't see what it will bring to West Kirby?

Again, I have been very clear that I am not against re-development.

My expectations may be different from others.

I guess I work in an industry that is Lean and where the very first question you would answer (before doing anything) is "what defines value in the eyes of the stakeholders". Principally, West Kirby residents as they are the ones who have to live with it.

Thankfully I do not work in a consultancy that is rich and fat with an infinite amount of resources that creats very little output (value).

"Don't be so niave. Maybe they should be - but they are not. It quite obvious it was a case of Want the hotel ? revamp the Sailing school"

If I was to walk into a project without understanding the very basic financial breakdown to be able to deliver then my days would be numbered.

How could you possibly not understand this information when no other funding is avaialble.

Putting it another way how could you know if your basic business plan is even feasible!

I am glad they are not managing any of my finances

"When I was there almost everyone expressed a positive reaction to what was being attempted so long as the design of the hotel was kept in fitting with the town. i.e not quiet so modern as some of the sketches so far....."

The only thing I can think of is that there were 2 consultations going on seperatley.

That said, they say if you tell yourself something enough you start to beleive it.

So, in summary and as a West Kirby resident who has had discussions with a wide and varied population of the town:

1) The Majority are not against redevelopment of this area
2) The Majority are against a hotel because they do not see a need or a benefit to the local community
3) A new sailing school would be a nicety, however, this is not on the agenda of most local people

Once again, it has been a pleasure!

You will have to give me a bit longer on the Luddite so that I can do some research

Look forward to your response.
 
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Re:West kirby marine lake development on the BBC 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 9  
CaptainNemo wrote:
Mr Ernie,
Thanks for blowing my cover

"Apart from....
- The golfers who travel from far and wide to play Royal Liverpool
- The local business's who bring guest's to the Wirral from Europe and further, but are forced to put people up in Chester and Liverpool. I used to work for one and at any one time between Tues and Thursday night we could have filled a 50 room hotel with out of town visitors.
- The Local bars and resturants where guests will spend money
- The local residents who will get coffee & restaurants

So we are suggesting an additonal 30-40 people (at most) a night from outside the area will set the local economy on fire?

How many of these will actually eat in the hotel.

How should i know but even if none of them do it will not have a detrimental effect on the economy of the town.


As far as the local residents getting coffee and restaurants:
There already exists around 28 establishements so would it not be counter productive to add more?


No I suspect there will be more choice - Approx 3.2% more choice - and possible one with rather spectacular views, no ?



There is no doubt that it would be nice for the outsiders to come and stay in an expensive hotal on the sea front.

Maybe I am being a little bit thick because actually;

No I don't see what it will bring to West Kirby?


Extra punters = Extra money coming into the town. Surely good ?


Again, I have been very clear that I am not against re-development.

My expectations may be different from others.


I don't think your expectations differ too much, however I simply can't agree with your extrapolation of the negative side to the proposal. Although I agree that if it is one of those awful modern carbunkles - it will fail. I also feel for the people who have view now but will get a view of the hotel in future......


I guess I work in an industry that is Lean and where the very first question you would answer (before doing anything) is "what defines value in the eyes of the stakeholders". Principally, West Kirby residents as they are the ones who have to live with it.

Thankfully I do not work in a consultancy that is rich and fat with an infinite amount of resources that creats very little output (value).


I too work in an area were "delivery on time and to budget on a Business value add" is King - Not a consultancy- but thanks for the dig. I also work on contract negotiations and know all too well you don't show your full hand from the off and you can't always have on hand the people with the correct figures.


"Don't be so niave. Maybe they should be - but they are not. It quite obvious it was a case of Want the hotel ? revamp the Sailing school"

If I was to walk into a project without understanding the very basic financial breakdown to be able to deliver then my days would be numbered.


I refer you to my comment on the earliness of the project and my previous answer. They will have a rough idea, and they'll have an idea of the matrices within which they'll deem this to be viable project. That does not mean that just because one person couldn't answer the question on one day means they're going to be totally incompetent. Compare your house/car with the Beer family and I'll bet they have a stronger case for managing money than you (and me btw).


"When I was there almost everyone expressed a positive reaction to what was being attempted so long as the design of the hotel was kept in fitting with the town. i.e not quiet so modern as some of the sketches so far....."

The only thing I can think of is that there were 2 consultations going on seperatley.

That said, they say if you tell yourself something enough you start to beleive it.


...and these statements apply equally well from me to you.



1) The Majority are not against redevelopment of this area

I agree

2) The Majority are against a hotel because they do not see a need or a benefit to the local community


I disagree. I believe the majority are against the DESIGN of the proposed hotel. The majority of people I've spoken to which is also wide and varied and not limited to WK residents support the idea of a hotel. Frankly I couldn't care so long as the lake facilities improve. Sadly living in the real world with tit-for tat and back scratching and all, the reality is the lake facilitiies and indeed the lake will fall into disrepair without this sort of deal. There are too many Gay & Lesbian refuges to be built before rich mens sports like sailing get money from a Labour council.

3) A new sailing school would be a nicety, however, this is not on the agenda of most local people

I agree

Over to you sir.......
 
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West kirby marine lake development online question 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
Incase people havn't recieved or read the local weekly News paper delivered today, there is a front page article advising an online question session with the Sail Project Team this Friday between 10.30 and 11.30am (check paper for time as I read it this morning and now in work, the website equivilent article doesn't advise time). _link_ to News website article below:

http://icwirral.icnetwork.co.uk/news/regional/tm_headline=west-kirby-sail-project-team-to-answer-your-questions-online%26method=full%26_object_id=21306747%26siteid=80898-name_page.html
 
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Re:West kirby marine lake development on the BBC 4 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 0  
Without making a case in either direction, corporate travellers usually drink and eat (for the most part), in the hotel they are staying and charge it to business accounts, thus not contributing to local pubs and restaurants.
 
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Re:West kirby marine lake development on the BBC 4 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 9  
Respectfully, having been an intensive corporate traveller for far too long (I'm now cured of that particular problem), I & many of my colleagues ALWAYS look to eat away from the hotel in which we are staying (apart from maybe in India) ......
 
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Re:West kirby marine lake development on the BBC 4 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 10  
Ernie wrote:
Respectfully, having been an intensive corporate traveller for far too long (I'm now cured of that particular problem), I & many of my colleagues ALWAYS look to eat away from the hotel in which we are staying (apart from maybe in India) ......

Ditto. Eating in the hotel is a last resort. Almost always overpriced and charmless. Oh and hotels always have crap beer too.
 
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